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  • sc3
    08-20 06:09 PM
    Ron says at this site

    that the change in interpretation is done intentionally. I am not sure if we can call it a mistake any more. For some agency to go all out and claim that they have "reviewed" and are therefore going to do things in a new way is kind of casting things in stone.


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  • dontcareaboutGC
    04-05 03:10 PM
    I am posting this from Ron Gotcher's forum-

    "Cite as "AILA InfoNet Doc. No. 11040563 (posted Apr. 5, 2011)"

    Following-up on his earlier observations on EB-1 demand and "spill-down" to EB-2 reported on InfoNet on March 29, 2011 (InfoNet Doc. No. 11032960), Charlie Oppenheim discussed scenarios for EB-2 movement in the coming months. In preparation of the May 2011 Visa Bulletin, DOS will consider the approximately 12,000 unused EB-1 numbers that will "spill-down" to EB-2, EB-2 demand and possible unused numbers, and will consult with USCIS on its processing potential. A quick look by DOS at this point indicates that there is the possibility for greater advancement of the India EB-2 category than had earlier been thought. Doing so will give DOS better visibility into EB-3 upgrade demand in the pipeline, and will better ensure that all visas allowed annually are used. However, a rapid advance could spur a surge in demand that could impact the cut-off dates later in the year. The May Visa Bulletin, generally issued mid-April, will contain a discussion of visa availability projections for the remainder of the year.

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  • jung.lee
    01-07 08:40 PM
    My wife is in the same boat. Interviewed Jan 4th. in Mumbai and passport returned immediately - asked to resubmit passport after she received an approval email or phone call. I started a new thread here: <>

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  • indiangcseeker
    03-10 11:13 AM
    This is a brilliant thought and lets put it to action now.We all can ask for putting us all Legals on Path to Citizenship. I would definitely put in effort , this may lead to some other solution.

    We all can send mails or printed letters to our local Senator , Congressman , US President and Hilliary Clinton from

    We can make them aware through this and then we can try to meet our Senators/Congress Representatives and explain. Over the years We have gathered enough numbers,information and knowledge about our problems , backlogs and Immigration System that we can talk about.

    I'm from NJ and would be calling them today. Will post the call details.

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  • rsharma
    09-24 07:57 PM
    Thanks Ramba for the analysis. Kudos to you to bring out the true fact regarding the spill over. I see you are belong to Eb3 ROW category but still you stood for the truth.

    Lot of analysis. Here is my part. If DOS properly followed the INA as amended by AC21 act in 2000, EB2-I never retrogressed since year 2005. EB2 I might have been always �current�. EB3 including ROW might have been much worst situation than now. EB3-IN will always be in disaster state. Though it is unfair to (EB3) many, this is what the law. In later part of 1990s EB categories were retrogressed for IN, CH by about 2 years. When AC21 law passed in 2000, it did two very important things. One recapture of about 216,000 EB visas and it removed country quota in each EB category if excess visas available, in that category. That means it enforced horizontal spill over. In simple example, consider Mexico which is most subscribing country. Lets assume in a fiscal year, 40,000 Mexican are eligible for EB2 visa(and no other citizens in EB2), and millions of Mexican eligible for EB3 and in family based categories, still DOS should issue 40,000 EB2 visa to Mexicans irrespective of how much demand in other categories. Because of tons of backlogs in 485 (between 2000 and 2004), particularly in EB3, DOS issued about 185000 (out of 216000) to EB3. That�s why EB3 was current between 2000 and 2004. They simply ignored the EB2 demand by India and retrogressed in 2005, though total demand for EB2 less than the available pool of recaptured visas. Since the year 2007, they realized the mistake and now (since 2007) they are following correctly (though may not fair) the law. If they follow correctly the law, EB2-IN, Ch will become current soon. Till all EB2 become current, EB3 never see any spill over. Till EB3 �ROW become current, EB3 IN will not see any spill over. Till that point EB3-In will get only 2800 EB3 visas.

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  • psaxena
    08-26 06:42 PM
    Vonage's cancellation early termination charge is $39.99 + Some admin charges = $45.

    The $100 you are talking about is when you sign up and also ask for the router from vonage. what I did was went to craigslist and bought the vonage router for $15 and signed up for vonage. They sent the cancellation policy and charges by email which is somewhere between $40-$45.

    I was earlier their customer when moved from vonage to T-mobile @Home. After a little argument they waived off the early termination charges and now because of the good customer service I joined them back. As by joining I got a free month of phone service as well.
    I would say the reps on the other side also human being and depends on how one goes on to put up their point in the most polite manner without hurting anyone or anything in the process and results are always fruitful if the conversations are driven the right way.

    Overall for me to make calls and recieve calls without any hassle is the key and I think vonage is pretty good at it. Moreover they moved their customer care I think moved back in US from phillipines as this time the conversation was smooth and didn't have to repeat the sentence again or didn't have to ask to say again.

    Also I don't care if any competitor comes up with a $2 less + some more feature. Quality is the key and I think vonage beats everyone in that. I had a tough time fixing up my fax machine wiht sun rocket once upon a time and cancelled my service with them for that reason.

    Vonage has a contract of 1 year. Have to pay around $100 if you break the contract.

    Lingo has a contract for 2 years. Will have to pay a similar contract break fee for Lingo as well.

    Monthly charges for world plan: Lingo is cheaper than vonage
    Voice quality: Vonage is slightly better than Lingo. Lingo is ok too.
    Customer service: Vonage is better than Lingo
    Contract Period: Vonage 1 year. Lingo 2 years
    Plan selections: Lingo has more plan selections.
    Cheapest plan: Lingo $7.95/month for 250 minutes america plan. Vonage $17.99/month for 500 minutes US plan


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  • gc_on_demand
    04-01 03:57 PM
    Wait a minute, how was this India EB2 case even allowed to file I-485 when that PD has never been current? The lawyer alleges that it has been pending for several years.

    Does this "fee bill" have nothing to do with 485 filing? Is it just plain wrong or am I missing something obvious here?

    Perhaps he meant September 2006.

    In CP process USCIS transfer I 140 / I 130 etc to NVC as soon as they get approved. but they sit there for years before NVC thinks date will be current soon and they send out fees invoice.

    I am beneficiary of I 130 ( Family based petition ) and my I 130 at NVC for almost 2 years now. and when my date will come close to current ( in next 10 years ) they will send me fees.

    Hope I become US citizen before that......:)

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  • Macaca
    12-05 04:45 PM
    AMY GOODMAN: Our guest for the hour is Lou Dobbs, well known as the CNN anchor of Lou Dobbs Tonight. In May, the New York Times published a critical article about you, Lou.

    LOU DOBBS: [inaudible]

    AMY GOODMAN: It was called �Truth, Fiction and Lou Dobbs.� Columnist David Leonhardt wrote, �Mr. Dobbs has a somewhat flexible relationship with reality.� Leonhardt highlighted this profile about you that aired on CBS�s 60 Minutes.

    LESLEY STAHL: One of the issues he tackles relentlessly is illegal immigration. And on that, his critics say his advocacy can get in the way of the facts.

    LOU DOBBS: Tuberculosis, leprosy, malaria?

    LESLEY STAHL: Following a report on illegals carrying diseases into the US, one of the correspondents on his show, Christine Romans, told Dobbs that there had been 7,000 cases of leprosy in the US in the past three years.

    CHRISTINE ROMANS: Leprosy, in this country

    LOU DOBBS: Incredible.

    LESLEY STAHL: We checked that and found a report issued by the US Department of Health and Human Services saying 7,000 is the number of leprosy cases over the last thirty years, not the past three, and nobody knows how many of those cases involve illegal immigrants.

    [interviewing Dobbs] Now, went to try and check that number, 7,000�we can�t. Just so you know�

    LOU DOBBS: I can tell you this: if we reported it, it�s a fact.

    LESLEY STAHL: You can�t tell me that. You did report it�

    LOU DOBBS: No, I just did.

    LESLEY STAHL: How can you guarantee that to me?

    LOU DOBBS: Because I�m the managing editor, and that�s the way we do business. We don�t make up numbers, Lesley, do we?

    AMY GOODMAN: A day after the 60 Minutes report aired, Lou Dobbs discussed the issue on his program with his reporter, the CNN reporter Christine Romans.

    LOU DOBBS: Then there was a question about some of your comments, Christine, following one of your reports. I told Lesley Stahl we don�t make up numbers, and I will tell everybody here again tonight, I stand 100% behind what you said.

    CHRISTINE ROMANS: That�s right, Lou. We don�t make up numbers here. This is what we reported. We reported: �It�s interesting, because the woman in our piece told us that there were about 900 cases of leprosy for forty years. There have been 7,000 in the past three years. Leprosy, in this country.� I was quoting Dr. Madeleine Cosman, a respected medical lawyer and medical historian. Writing in The Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, she said: �Hansen�s disease��that�s the other modern name, I guess, for leprosy��Hansen�s disease was so rare in America that in forty years only 900 people were afflicted. Suddenly, in the past three years America has more than 7,000 cases of leprosy,� Lou.

    LOU DOBBS: It�s remarkable that this�whatever, confusion or confoundment over 7,000 cases. They actually keep a registry of cases of leprosy. And the fact that it rose was because of�one assumes, because we don�t know for sure�but two basic influences: unscreened illegal immigrants coming into this country, primarily from South Asia, and the�secondly, far better reporting.

    CHRISTINE ROMANS: That�s what Dr. Cosman told us, Lou.

    LOU DOBBS: And, you know, in talking with a number of people, it�s also very clear no one knows, but nearly everyone suspects, there are far more cases of that. It is also, I think, interesting, and I think important to say, one of the reasons we screen people coming into this country is to deal with communicable diseases like leprosy, tuberculosis. The fact is, if we would just screen successfully, all of those diseases can be treated effectively, efficiently and relatively quickly.

    AMY GOODMAN: That�s Lou Dobbs on the show. The source behind the claim that there was a spike of 7,000 new cases of leprosy was a controversial medical attorney named Madeleine Cosman. In 2005, she described undocumented immigrants as �deadly time bombs, because of the diseases they bring into the country.� Cosman, who died last year, has also been criticized for these comments she made about Mexican men.

    MADELEINE COSMAN: Recognize that most of these bastards molest girls under age twelve, some as young as age five, others age three. Although, of course, some specialize in boys, some specialize in nuns, some are exceedingly versatile and rape little girls age eleven and women up to age seventy-nine.

    What is important here is the psychiatric defenses: Why do they do what they do? They do not need a jail; they need a hospital. They are depraved because they were deprived in their home country. But more important is the cultural defense: they suffer from psychiatric cognitive disjuncture, for what does a poor man do if in his home country of Mexico in his jurisdiction if rape is ranked lower than cow stealing? Of course, he will not know how to behave here in strange America. This is thoroughly reprehensible.

    AMY GOODMAN: Madeleine Cosman, that�s her quote. She actually is not a medical doctor. She�s a Renaissance author and scholar of sorts. Lou Dobbs?

    LOU DOBBS: What would you have me say, Amy? Because what�the reality is what you don�t say, is that Leonhardt�s piece was filled with errors. Secondly, Madeleine Cosman, as we learned following that report in Physicians and Surgeons, the publication, is precisely what you styled her: she is a wack�or was a wackjob. But the New York Times didn�t know that, either. If you would read the obituary for Madeleine Cosman in the New York Times�have you done that, by the way? She died a year ago, which was, by the way, a year after we had used her as a source in a report, along with other people. Did you read that obituary? Did you find that the New York Times had come to basically the same conclusion we had, that she was a credible source? Because if you read that obituary, it is glowing and filled with plaudits for Madeleine Cosman. And so�

    JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, but, Lou, I think the issue�

    LOU DOBBS: But I must�no, no. I am going to say this�

    JUAN GONZALEZ: The issue is that we, as journalists�

    LOU DOBBS: To go through a body of

    JUAN GONZALEZ: �all have our own responsibility to�

    LOU DOBBS: No, listen to me, Juan�

    JUAN GONZALEZ: No, no, no, no, no, Listen�

    LOU DOBBS: �because at least we can have some civility�


    LOU DOBBS: �to go through this and try to convey that this is a body of work. I spoke for eight seconds after that report on tuberculosis and the screening of illegal immigrants into this country. For eight seconds. And you�re trying to project this as if it is reflective of a body of work. And that, I think, is�I think�

    JUAN GONZALEZ: No, but, Lou, the issue�

    LOU DOBBS: I would hope that you would be embarrassed by that.

    JUAN GONZALEZ: No, Lou, the issue is�

    AMY GOODMAN: You�re the managing director of your show�

    LOU DOBBS: I am the managing director.

    AMY GOODMAN: �and editor of your show.

    LOU DOBBS: And let me ask you a question: how many�how many people are on the registry for Hansen�s disease in this country?

    JUAN GONZALEZ: 7,000, total.

    LOU DOBBS: It�s over 7,000, correct.

    AMY GOODMAN: For thirty years.

    JUAN GONZALEZ: For thirty years.

    LOU DOBBS: Absolutely.

    AMY GOODMAN: You said over the last three years because of illegal immigration.

    LOU DOBBS: And what did we say? Did I say because of illegal immigration?


    LOU DOBBS: I said no one knows, but one assumes primarily, because they�re not being screened. That�s what the doctors at the Hansen centers were telling us. Secondly, the issue of�if you want to, I mean, explode eight seconds into a whole body of discussion, fine. The reality is, I think you would agree, that if we were screening illegal immigrants, as well as legal immigrants, we would probably have a heck of a lot less in the way of tuberculosis in this country, and Hansen�s disease.

    JUAN GONZALEZ: OK, Lou, I�d like to get into�take this in a much deeper perspective than just the particular fact�

    LOU DOBBS: I hope so.


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  • shahuja
    01-31 04:26 AM
    I had my interview on Jan 14th for H1B extension..same company after 3 years..fortune 100 company..VO said approved..but i have not received my pp yet. Its the 18th day and in weeks this is the 3rd one.
    My brother also works for the same company same mgr..he also went on the same day for his stamping. His F1-H1. his VO was different..he got his pp after one week.

    Have there been people waiting more than three weeks ?? what is the worst wait time for someone here on the forum ??

    I have already postponed my flight twice..since i have to take my dad along..i have also postponed his flight twice..this was a family emergency travel and not a vacation..still its so painfull..and like everyday there is a wait..

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  • meghanap2000
    10-26 04:52 PM

    Got an email from USCIS stating that there is an change in status... This email showed new status as Card Prodn Ordered...

    This was early evening 22'nd Oct.... Got two emails - one for me and one for my wife... exactly identical email.

    Then later at night (closer to midnite NSC time i think), i received the same two emails for me and my wife again.... not sure why.

    Since then no other emails.... So far, i have only recvd CPO email.... no other emails at all...

    Donot worry about 2 emails. That normally happens for alomost any approval email from USCIS. I always got 2 emails from USCIS in approval of my every case like h1b ext, 485 etc..
    You may not receive any more email from USCIS about your 485. But USCIS will send 485 approval courtesy copies to you and originals to your attorney. So please contact your attorney after 3 or 4 business days and collect your original i485 apporvals. You will receive your green cards with in 1 week. I received CPO mail on oct 17th and received green cards on oct 24th.

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  • desi3933
    01-30 06:33 AM
    Office of Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices

    Civil Rights Divison Office of Special Counsel Did You Know Page (

    Employers may not request more or different documents than are required to verify employment eligibility, reject reasonably genuine-looking documents, or specify certain documents over others with the purpose or intent of discriminating on the basis of citizenship status or national origin. U.S. citizens and all work authorized individuals are protected from document abuse.

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  • immigrationvoice1
    03-24 03:51 PM
    Its been over 3 hours now that I informed CapitalOne that the discrimination is illegal. And as expected, no reply received yet.

    Got a reply back just now

    My mail to Capital One after getting the initial response:


    Thank you for the reply.

    I am surprised by the disqualification since the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) had issued the EAD. DHS has set clear guidelines not to discriminate based on any of the authorized work documents issued by them, EAD being one of them. The I-9 form required to be filled in by every employee (citizen or otherwise) clearly mentions this.

    Are you sure CapitalOne does not allow candidates who are on EAD specially when it does not require sponsorship from the employer ?

    Response that I received for the above email:

    Thanks for your message. The information regarding Capital One's policy on pursuing EAD card holders is correct. We are only able to pursue US Citizens or Green Card holders for these roles. I'm sorry, but we won't be able to consider your candidacy at this time.

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  • RDB
    11-20 02:41 PM
    I am sure you have already tried this, but is renting it out not a good option? Even if you rent it out for half the price than your current monthly mortgage amount and if you get a salary hike of approx that much difference, won't it be better? For e.g., let's say you are paying $2000 monthly mortgage payment and you rent it out for $1000, the difference is $12000 per year (out of your pocket) - would this be approx. equal to the amount of salary increase you are getting if you get a new job?

    Thanks for the feedback so far from people on this group.
    Answering to the question about making bad decision and having a good job..well it is not my bad decision that has brought down the whole market but the banks and stupid people who took loan and didnt knew the consequences of ARM loans and then started filing for foreclosure.. because of those foreclosures the property rates have went down and i cannot get what i paid for the house.
    if this whole mess was not there then anyone can find a good job and sell his house, if not profit then atleast with no loss..

    i hope u got my point..

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  • Hunter
    05-10 02:18 AM
    Most of what Hunter has said is not wrong. Exploitation and malpractices by small/big consulting companies is a reality.
    But then there are other things that he is simply stereotyping because of personal impact and resulting hatred. Generally implying that foreign workers are crap and cause wage depression isn't true. Wages in IT industry are destined to go down with time because of

    Thank you for admitting most of what I stated here true. Actually all of what I stated here as �skills� are based on my experience in IT management over the last decade. If you suddenly found my post to be stereo typing, you were blind to the stereotypes propagated in this forum for a long time.

    With regard to quality of professionals overall I don't see a marked difference between American and non-American workers. Moreover, I don't think that employers will employ substandard labor just because they are marginally cheap, because it turns out to be more expensive. In all the cases that H1-B and L1 pocket less money than their counterparts the booty goes to middlemen(both Indian and American bodyshps) and not the companies that ultimately use their skills.

    You are wrong here. Do you know that companies like TCS/INFY/Wipro offer �blended rates� in the range of $20+/hr for keeping over 70% of staff offshore? Client directly benefits here. I have seen hypocritical companies that took tax benefits from local governments like cities and counties (which came at the expense of property taxes paid by residents of those localities) for job creation and then turned around and outsourced the very same jobs that they were supposed to create to TCS/Wipro/INFY etc., often dismissing the existing contractor pool/employees which involved people of all nationalities including H1-b workers like �TN Man� who couldn�t compete with the $30+ rates for the on-shore workers even if something was available from these vendors. Now to dump people at $30/hr rate, even though talent is locally available - like "TN Man", these vendors will abuse H1 and L1 by securing as many of these visas as they can( which were intended to bring the best and the brightest for american companies), causing Bill Gates to advocate for unlimited H1-bs when in reality, what he needs is a few thousand H1-bs which should be available in normal circumstances, had these companies not been poaching those visas.

    So these offshore companies circumvented the prevailing wages through an industrial practice that should be considered �dumping�, where they dumped green-horns for the greedy clients, because the green-horns don�t have to go through any interviews in exchange of the very low rates. In this case, the people dismissed from the company/contractors were a lot more skilled, yet managers like me would be forced to start from scratch with the new pool, often resulting in delays for strategic initiatives at these companies, but the bean counters at the top never care, since their horizon is the next quarterly earning release, not what the company would do 2 years down the line (and some of these companies are the culprits behind financial crisis today with their very myopic thinking, just a sample was illustrated above)

    The only jobs that were created in those localities due to such corporations in exchange for tax credits often were Indian Grocery shops opening in that locality to cater to those folks from offshore vendors. :D BTW, I don't have anything against them, I like Indian food.

    I have worked with companies where I managed a 50+ member team to execute a project which at another company employing local workforce may have been done with a 12-15 person team (I have managed it both ways and hence I know that as a fact). Now the company employing the 50+ member team will often massage the numbers to show that they saved $x differential per person* 50 for the bean counters and would have secured bonuses for the higher ups because of those paper savings.

    Now I think as a result of people like me interacting with US law-makers, they are getting the true picture of the abuse going on with the current processes. I understand many of you here are concerned about your own career and eventually settling in US, but once you become a permanent resident or US Citizen, you are going to face the same realities. I have seen Indian-americans who went through the GC/Citizenship process becoming some of the the fiercest critics of the current system, because (like "TN Man"), their livelihoods also are threatened by the current process. They suddenly understand that it has nothing to do with the so-called "skill" or "talent" shortage, it has everything to do with what your hourly billing rate is.


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  • TeddyKoochu
    04-01 04:46 PM
    This is a very simple calculation. Following are the numbers before Oct -2006. These total to ~ 12K.

    EB2-C - 3521
    EB2-I - 9345

    The dates will move further if more than 12K numbers are infused into the system. I would say that the dates should be in Oct - Nov 2006 range with these 12K numbers, having Nov as buffer as they may issue RFE's to folks.

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  • rajpatelemail
    01-06 06:47 PM
    Guys... I am all to do anything for GC, that itself is big thing..

    Anybody in this thread who support this idea and was here since 1998
    pls come forward...

    Then you really know , what it is about...

    Upto GC, it is fine to do any movement/lead..perfectly acceptable.
    But do not waste energy and aggressivness on citizenship related things. It rather damages the effort, just by adding citizenship related things.

    It is as equal as what happened in the past, that adding illegal and legal based reform in teh single capsule blowed out everything and no benefit came out finally.

    i am asking you guys in this thread...
    who support this idea and was here since 1998 or atleast from 2000
    (Pls note you shd have started your GC process on or before 2000. Then you know the things.
    If you came in 1998 and started GC just 1 or 2 years back..You may not be knowing the reality.)
    pls come forward...

    I am not questioning or discouraging your intentions/enthu/aggressiveness...

    I am asking not to waste the energy on useless things.
    Pls concentrate on GC related things which will benefit everybody.

    People laugh for the resolutions you suggested , if they can be proposed to any legislative member.


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  • bayarea07
    09-11 08:30 PM
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  • rams75
    08-17 11:07 AM
    Thanks ..So do you have any idea about how long USCIS takes in this situation to complete the name change?

    It's tough to tell. According to processing times on, I-90 takes 3.5 months in Nebraska service center. But the form is supposed to be mailed to Phoenix and I could not find any times for the Phoenix office. Since it's a simple correction, I'm hoping a 2-3 week turnaround time but be prepared for a 3+ month wait. If you need to travel, it's better to get an I-551 stamp in your passport so you can travel regardless.

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  • HV000
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    Why would you say EAD and H1B will be denied??

    01-26 05:46 PM
    The reason transit visas are required in the UK is that many passengers with an intention to transit the UK have stayed. The transit visa was introduced as a way of making sure (as much as possible) that the passenger has the intention and the ability to transit the UK and to enter a third country.
    -->How does a transit visa prevents someone from staying in the UK. "Transit" means you are not even getting out of the airport. People who overstay in the UK likely entered the UK on a UK visa

    It really does not matter what anyone thinks about the transit visa requirement because it is UK law. Everyone has a choice whether or not to transit the UK. Going back to the original post, to book a ticket without researching visa requirements and then trying to deflect personal responsibility by blaming the visa requirement is ridiculous

    Yes, it matters. If we can educate our fellow members about the hassel of transit through UK, they will avoid UK if they have other options. And that will make UK rethink their policies.

    It really is amazing how much hot air has been generated on this thread over a well established transit visa requirement.

    The reason transit visas are required in the UK is that many passengers with an intention to transit the UK have stayed. The transit visa was introduced as a way of making sure (as much as possible) that the passenger has the intention and the ability to transit the UK and to enter a third country.

    The list of nationals that are required to have a visa to transit the UK represents a list of countries where there has been a particular problem with over stayers. It is not race based, but merely an effort to target the problem.

    It really does not matter what anyone thinks about the transit visa requirement because it is UK law. Everyone has a choice whether or not to transit the UK. Going back to the original post, to book a ticket without researching visa requirements and then trying to deflect personal responsibility by blaming the visa requirement is ridiculous.

    12-05 04:56 PM
    JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, I�d like to move on. I want to play a report from your show covering former Mexican President Vicente Fox�s May 2000 visit to the United States. Your reporter Casey Wian�

    LOU DOBBS: Wian.

    JUAN GONZALEZ: Wian, I�m sorry�described the visit as a, quote, �Mexican military incursion.� This aired on May 23, 2006.

    CASEY WIAN: This Mexican military incursion was fully authorized. A Mexican air force jet carrying President Vicente Fox was not just invited to Utah, but encouraged to visit by Governor John Huntsman.

    PRESIDENT VICENTE FOX: We fully support the businessmen from Utah and Mexico�

    CASE WIAN: It�s estimated Utah has about 100,000 illegal aliens, and the number is growing rapidly. Utah is also a part of the territory some militant Latino activists refer to as Aztlan, the portion of the Southwest United States they claim rightfully belongs to Mexico.

    You could call this the Vicente Fox Aztlan tour, since the three states he�ll visit�Utah, Washington, and California�are all part of some radical group�s vision of the mythical indigenous homeland, Lou.

    LOU DOBBS: Casey, thank you very much.

    JUAN GONZALEZ: The Southern Poverty Law Center criticized CNN for airing that report, in part because, as your reporter Casey Wian spoke, a graphic appeared on the screen. It was a map of the United States highlighting the seven Southwestern states that Mexico supposedly covets and calls Aztlan. The map was prominently sourced to the Council of Conservative Citizens, which is considered by many to be a white supremacist hate group.

    AMY GOODMAN: Your response, Lou Dobbs?

    LOU DOBBS: You know the response, and you know the reality. That�how long was that screen up? How long was that map up?

    AMY GOODMAN: Enough to see it.

    JUAN GONZALEZ: A few seconds.

    LOU DOBBS: The field producer who�did you know it was from the CCC? Which is a hate group.

    AMY GOODMAN: It�s attributed right there. It says Council of Conservative Citizens.

    LOU DOBBS: Right. And it couldn�t be clearer, could it? I mean, we weren�t hiding anything. We had no idea what they were. The field producer who used it went on the web, pulled�did a �grab,� as it�s called, and put it up. And she was suspended for a day for doing so.

    Did you guys know that we have sent our producers and our reporters down to the Southern Poverty Law Center years ago to make certain this sort of thing doesn�t happen? That�s how seriously we take the issue. And for you to talk about the incursion, you forgot to point out that that was coming out of rather jocular discussion of the incursions by Mexican forces along the border and the response of the US government.


    LOU DOBBS: And, I mean, are you offended?

    AMY GOODMAN: Lou, did you say you have no idea what the Council of Concervative Citizens is?

    LOU DOBBS: Did I say I don�t?


    LOU DOBBS: I certainly do now. Absolutely. What did I�you didn�t hear what I just said?

    AMY GOODMAN: I just want to�

    LOU DOBBS: They�re acknowledged as a hate group. Absolutely.

    JUAN GONZALEZ: See, but the problem, this�

    LOU DOBBS: What is the problem here?

    JUAN GONZALEZ: Projecting the image to your viewers that there�s a Mexican desire to reconquer, the Reconquista of the Southwestern United States, does create images�and especially in people who are not necessarily as intelligent as you necessarily or who have studied as much as you have�

    LOU DOBBS: Thank you for conceding that.

    JUAN GONZALEZ: �that the country is under siege.

    LOU DOBBS: My god, are you so self-important that you don�t think people have a sense of humor when Casey Wian says this is an authorized incursion by the Mexican government? You don�t think people have a sense of humor about that? The reality is, I think most people do. The other thing is, who are you trying to protect America from? I�m a little confused, because the reality is that there is a strong radical group of Reconquistas and Aztlan aficionados, and I have had them demonstrating against me in a couple of cities over the past few weeks. Don�t sit here being disingenuous�

    JUAN GONZALEZ: I�m not.

    LOU DOBBS: �and sanctimonious, because, let me tell you something�

    JUAN GONZALEZ: I�m not being disingenuous.

    LOU DOBBS: �there are many idiots on either extreme of this debate, and don�t kid yourself�

    AMY GOODMAN: But, Lou, I think what�s important here�

    LOU DOBBS: �and you know it.

    AMY GOODMAN: �once again, is the pattern. It�s the pattern�

    LOU DOBBS: The pattern�come on, please.

    AMY GOODMAN: No, let me make my point, because what I talk about is facts.

    LOU DOBBS: OK, let�s look at the pattern. The pattern is, for five years, we�ve been reporting on illegal immigration. The pattern is that we have been reporting on the impact of illegal immigration. It doesn�t suit your partisan views�and that�s understandable�or your ideological views. But don�t get carried away with yourselves, for crying out loud!

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