Lollerskater
09-17 12:27 PM
Zoe Lofgren is referred to as "the lady from california"? Is that normal?
wallpaper Bernese Mountain Dog puppy
snathan
01-17 02:45 PM
hey snathan
how about a addnl category in the survey
people who are not on h1 but willing to contribute
I am sure there will be some ;-)
cinqsit
Could not modify the poll.
how about a addnl category in the survey
people who are not on h1 but willing to contribute
I am sure there will be some ;-)
cinqsit
Could not modify the poll.
pdakwala
04-11 01:23 PM
Thanks Know_DOL AND lOST_IN_Migration for your support. Please keep up the good work. It is DO or DIE situation for all of us stuck in retrogression. Miracle happens when we do something. By not going anything we are accepting the defeat.
People, please come forward and contribute.
People, please come forward and contribute.
2011 puppies and dogs for sale
arsh007
08-01 02:15 PM
An MBA from an accredited AACSB university is a good investment for the long-term. However most such schools require a good GMAT school, require 2-3 years of part-time classes and cost anywhere between 30k-50k. But then there are people who are already in their late 30s or early 40s who go back to school to get an MBA. So age should not be a factor for higher education if you are in your mid-30s,
Investing in an MBA program does provide you with tax benefits with the fees being added as a "deduction" in the tax return.
Investing in an MBA program does provide you with tax benefits with the fees being added as a "deduction" in the tax return.
more...
thepaew
12-13 03:53 PM
I agree. I feel that the only thing that would be acheived if IV became a paid website is loss of membership. Then our PR documents will start with "IV is an organization of 200 members who are affected by ... "
Human nature is such that a few lead and others follow. We should recognize this and move on.
Human nature is such that a few lead and others follow. We should recognize this and move on.
GCwaitforever
06-07 12:27 PM
So you guys are saying that because you are on a H1B you are working harder than others? Let me tell you that working hard does not guarantee your job. I have seen hard workers laid off left and right, be it US citizens, green card holders or H1Bs. In fact one of my GC friends said that it is a constant fear for him to be employed at all times, he was unemployed for 10 months after the dot com bust. That changed him completely, he said what will I do with my GC, can I feed my kids with a GC? I need a job. So it is everyone's perspective. I look at him and say at least you have a GC, he says at least you have a job. :)
Probably most of you are aware of these things. So, let me say this advice is for newbies in the job. Lay-offs are done for business reasons and cost considerations. An American friend of mine lost his managerial job after 18 years of loyalty and experience. Company did not see the reason to continue to be in that business and the entire division related to the business was laid off. So working hard is good. Definitely a deserved trait. Do it for self-satisfaction, but not out of fear of loosing the job. At the same time, we should not be cloistered within the company working long hours. There are other things imprtant in life apart from the eight hours we spend at the office. I tend to my hobbies to keep my sanity after work. I look out for business indicators/news regarding how my company is doing. Good financial planning mandates savings around 6-12 months of living expenses which would lessen the impact of lay-off.;)
Probably most of you are aware of these things. So, let me say this advice is for newbies in the job. Lay-offs are done for business reasons and cost considerations. An American friend of mine lost his managerial job after 18 years of loyalty and experience. Company did not see the reason to continue to be in that business and the entire division related to the business was laid off. So working hard is good. Definitely a deserved trait. Do it for self-satisfaction, but not out of fear of loosing the job. At the same time, we should not be cloistered within the company working long hours. There are other things imprtant in life apart from the eight hours we spend at the office. I tend to my hobbies to keep my sanity after work. I look out for business indicators/news regarding how my company is doing. Good financial planning mandates savings around 6-12 months of living expenses which would lessen the impact of lay-off.;)
more...
PrinceVA
03-30 08:39 PM
Alex,
good to see you going to homeground but hate to see you go at this stage though.
We have many helpers here on this forum. I still suggest you to find another H1B holder, start h1b transfer and it will take 2-3 months to get the approval or denial, you have some time to find a job here. At least make money that you have spent for getting H1B.
If you work here for 6 months, you will at least get what you have paid.
I know you have made up your mind strongly, but just asking you to think over it again.
And if you decide to stay back and try for 2-3 months, Please let me know. I will share your email id with all recruiters and see how it goes. I will try my best, and sure there are many other helping hands here.
And as far as your employer matters, I say SCREW that B***, M***F***. Many of us, including me, do want to do but unable to do that either because we are at some stage of GC or some financial reason or frankly saying.. are little coward to go through that process and investigation. Only way I see is help one another.
I ask you to think over again and ping me if you decide to stay back and try before calling it off. Nope, you are not a looser, not the one afraid to fight, but this is frustating process and this is how it works here. Some good people come together, form IV like non-profit organization and fight for us but still number is very low and people like me come on this forum when in trouble (And then stays here for long :) and believe me IV has helped a lot.
Not only fighting for GC cause but also to boost your morale, make you confident and provide with all the good advise that they have learnt from experience.
What ever will be your next step buddy, All the BEST and there is a bright, very bright future awaiting you.
Prince.../
@bugs
Yes i do have the entire H1B application in originals with LCA and offer letter from employer
@HRPRO
Yes friend i have decided to go back , and i am not looking anymore i will rather have this energy saved for myself finding jobs in my homeground again
However does anyone have the first hand experience of reporting to DOL, please share your experience too with the kind of paperwork that should aid your application.
good to see you going to homeground but hate to see you go at this stage though.
We have many helpers here on this forum. I still suggest you to find another H1B holder, start h1b transfer and it will take 2-3 months to get the approval or denial, you have some time to find a job here. At least make money that you have spent for getting H1B.
If you work here for 6 months, you will at least get what you have paid.
I know you have made up your mind strongly, but just asking you to think over it again.
And if you decide to stay back and try for 2-3 months, Please let me know. I will share your email id with all recruiters and see how it goes. I will try my best, and sure there are many other helping hands here.
And as far as your employer matters, I say SCREW that B***, M***F***. Many of us, including me, do want to do but unable to do that either because we are at some stage of GC or some financial reason or frankly saying.. are little coward to go through that process and investigation. Only way I see is help one another.
I ask you to think over again and ping me if you decide to stay back and try before calling it off. Nope, you are not a looser, not the one afraid to fight, but this is frustating process and this is how it works here. Some good people come together, form IV like non-profit organization and fight for us but still number is very low and people like me come on this forum when in trouble (And then stays here for long :) and believe me IV has helped a lot.
Not only fighting for GC cause but also to boost your morale, make you confident and provide with all the good advise that they have learnt from experience.
What ever will be your next step buddy, All the BEST and there is a bright, very bright future awaiting you.
Prince.../
@bugs
Yes i do have the entire H1B application in originals with LCA and offer letter from employer
@HRPRO
Yes friend i have decided to go back , and i am not looking anymore i will rather have this energy saved for myself finding jobs in my homeground again
However does anyone have the first hand experience of reporting to DOL, please share your experience too with the kind of paperwork that should aid your application.
2010 Water Dog Puppies For Sale
walking_dude
11-14 11:33 AM
Please don't use the thread for just -- discussions sans actions .
Do take some actions - Have you contacted and posted your Comments to WWJ yet?
Coming to your point, just like he won't stop visiting hospitals for annual physicals to avoid Indian doctors and Phillipino nurses, he won't stop using Boeing either.
I bet he owns a foreign (European) car too. Like somebody pointed out CNN itself has hundreds of "cheap labor" H1B immigrants working for them. His wife is a Mexican. Do you think he's avoiding private moments with her to avoid TB and leprosy?
Lou Dobbs isn't a zealot. He is just an opportunistic hypocrite who's using "nativist populism" to get high TRP ratings for his show, and he has been immensely successful!
http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-526504-.html#526504
So do you think he will stop using Boeing and walk to Detroit?
Do take some actions - Have you contacted and posted your Comments to WWJ yet?
Coming to your point, just like he won't stop visiting hospitals for annual physicals to avoid Indian doctors and Phillipino nurses, he won't stop using Boeing either.
I bet he owns a foreign (European) car too. Like somebody pointed out CNN itself has hundreds of "cheap labor" H1B immigrants working for them. His wife is a Mexican. Do you think he's avoiding private moments with her to avoid TB and leprosy?
Lou Dobbs isn't a zealot. He is just an opportunistic hypocrite who's using "nativist populism" to get high TRP ratings for his show, and he has been immensely successful!
http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-526504-.html#526504
So do you think he will stop using Boeing and walk to Detroit?
more...
Lasantha
09-25 01:58 PM
Juist to prove the original posters point about IV being intolerant about different points of view and the trigger happy attitude of some members about giving a red dots just because someone else speaks his point of view - I got a very personal and abusive remark with a red dot just for my post above. Not that I really care about Red or Green dots. My GC journey is over. This forum helped me a great deal when I was waiting for my GC. Now I am hear to help others with what I know in their GC pursuit and help with any on going action items. Just wish some members here would grow up and learn to live and let live! :)
hair ENGLISH BULL DOG PUPPIES FOR
gc_on_demand
06-16 09:24 AM
^^^^^
more...
shishya
06-13 06:21 PM
Now thats a relief for all of us!
I do have this question:
How long does it take if I get my GC now (as a bachelor) and then later on apply GC for my wife? I heard its around 4-5 years again?
So, would it be a better decision to wait and not apply for 485 (I have my 140 approved as of Dec 06) now until I get married to be able to apply it together with my wife?
Comments/opinions please!
Thanks!
I do have this question:
How long does it take if I get my GC now (as a bachelor) and then later on apply GC for my wife? I heard its around 4-5 years again?
So, would it be a better decision to wait and not apply for 485 (I have my 140 approved as of Dec 06) now until I get married to be able to apply it together with my wife?
Comments/opinions please!
Thanks!
hot DOGS (Pedigreed labrador
gc28262
01-28 04:01 PM
Memos are for interpretation of laws by USCIS. Any memo is advisory in nature and does not have force of law. These memos, unless challenged and turned downed by court or withdrawn, are valid.
Your saying that memo is illegal does not mean anything more than your personal opinion.
H-1B petitions have denied in past based on employer-employee relationship, unable to specify duties at end client, and self employment cases. If you are interested, let me know, I will put links here.
PS: This does not mean that I personally agree/disagree with the memo. This is just to show the legal aspect of it.
___________________
Not a legal advice.
I know what you are referring to. USCIS has tried to raise this issue in the past in 2 instances. Once in 1990s and another in 2006 timeframe. In both cases lawyers were able to force USCIS to back down. Lot of consulting company applications have been approved since then.
The only difference this time is, it has come in the form of a memo. It is in fact a blessing in disguise. AILA has some reference document against which they can fight in court and get it overturned permanently.
Please refer this link
http://www.murthy.com/news/n_repatt.html
Legacy INS (now USCIS) raised many similar issues, in the early- to mid-1990s, regarding the length and nature of the projects in the U.S., timetable of assignments, and the H1B employer’s ability to pay the required prevailing wage. Senior Legacy INS officials from headquarters in Washington DC addressed the concerns of those examiners by pointing out that the law does not permit them to investigate a U.S. employer’s ability to hire H1B employees. The USCIS is bound by memos and policy guidance of the Legacy INS. After that memo, Legacy INS stopped issuing lengthy RFEs on these matters.
The law does not require any such letters by end-user clients for the issuance of the H1B visas to the visa applicants.
Your saying that memo is illegal does not mean anything more than your personal opinion.
H-1B petitions have denied in past based on employer-employee relationship, unable to specify duties at end client, and self employment cases. If you are interested, let me know, I will put links here.
PS: This does not mean that I personally agree/disagree with the memo. This is just to show the legal aspect of it.
___________________
Not a legal advice.
I know what you are referring to. USCIS has tried to raise this issue in the past in 2 instances. Once in 1990s and another in 2006 timeframe. In both cases lawyers were able to force USCIS to back down. Lot of consulting company applications have been approved since then.
The only difference this time is, it has come in the form of a memo. It is in fact a blessing in disguise. AILA has some reference document against which they can fight in court and get it overturned permanently.
Please refer this link
http://www.murthy.com/news/n_repatt.html
Legacy INS (now USCIS) raised many similar issues, in the early- to mid-1990s, regarding the length and nature of the projects in the U.S., timetable of assignments, and the H1B employer’s ability to pay the required prevailing wage. Senior Legacy INS officials from headquarters in Washington DC addressed the concerns of those examiners by pointing out that the law does not permit them to investigate a U.S. employer’s ability to hire H1B employees. The USCIS is bound by memos and policy guidance of the Legacy INS. After that memo, Legacy INS stopped issuing lengthy RFEs on these matters.
The law does not require any such letters by end-user clients for the issuance of the H1B visas to the visa applicants.
more...
house Puppies and Dogs For Sale in
Desertfox
03-12 08:39 PM
Just curious why you cannot join a state chapter?
I don't think we are not hearing news from IV. The Admin fixes campaign has been the most important effort these days. So now we all need to give IV an update if we sent our letters. I would not care about core members who were old and new. I really dont care about them because I think IV is all of us and not core folks. I just care about if IV is doing good work and helping everyone.
Why would you be curious to know about someone else's personal problems/issues? Your post sounds more like my daughter hypothetically saying that she doesn't care about whether her grandparents/parents are alive or dead, as long as she is there and she has a family to feed and take care of her...
Thanks chanduv23 for update on pappu & logiclife!
I don't think we are not hearing news from IV. The Admin fixes campaign has been the most important effort these days. So now we all need to give IV an update if we sent our letters. I would not care about core members who were old and new. I really dont care about them because I think IV is all of us and not core folks. I just care about if IV is doing good work and helping everyone.
Why would you be curious to know about someone else's personal problems/issues? Your post sounds more like my daughter hypothetically saying that she doesn't care about whether her grandparents/parents are alive or dead, as long as she is there and she has a family to feed and take care of her...
Thanks chanduv23 for update on pappu & logiclife!
tattoo Miniature Daschund Puppies for
crazyAbtUS
12-24 03:36 PM
Done
more...
pictures Queensland Heeler puppies
Macaca
03-09 07:09 PM
He quipped me back saying that he is aware of IV and IV is NOT "like-minded" group but "Money-minded" group of people, keeping on asking money all the time....Definately, its sending wrong signal...
My prioriy date has moved 1 week in 1 year. This is sufficient evidence for legislation (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3317&highlight=legislation) that requires Hill lobbying (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3255&highlight=legislation) which requires money.
Like minded
I had no understanding about legislation, politics, lobbying and money when I joined IV in Dec 2006. I used to wonder what core is talking about. However, I checked every statement against reliable media reported facts (NOT law firm blogs). I have not found a single contradiction. So I am very strongly like minded with core's direction.
Here is an example. In Dec 2006, Jeff Sessions was cited by core as the reason to derail the SKILL Bill. Here (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=51718&postcount=21) is a recent example of an anonymous person derailing a Bill.
Money minded
Lobbying firm is the most important reason for existence of IV; grass root lobbying can be done without IV. IV paid QGA 80K (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=50347&postcount=4) in the first quarter of 2006; this is just one expenditure but has a public record. IV has to pay a similar amount to Patton Boggs. About 260*20/month was collected in 45 days in Jan/Feb 2007.
Why can IV ignore talking about money (when balancing this deficit is very important)?
How can IV ignore talking about money ALL THE TIME (when it takes 45 days to collect 260*20)?
State Chapter Participation
You missed this. We also ask members (ALL THE TIME (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3482&highlight=Wisconsin)) to participate in State Chapters.
Conclusions
Some (non) members are ignorant about GC problems, legislation, politics, lobbying and IV's activities. It is not possible to understand all of them even in a month. They have to put effort to educate themselves. Hence, the quotes
Most people struggle with life balance simply because they haven't paid the price to decide what is really important to them.
If we keep doing what we're doing, we're going to keep getting what we're getting.
My prioriy date has moved 1 week in 1 year. This is sufficient evidence for legislation (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3317&highlight=legislation) that requires Hill lobbying (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3255&highlight=legislation) which requires money.
Like minded
I had no understanding about legislation, politics, lobbying and money when I joined IV in Dec 2006. I used to wonder what core is talking about. However, I checked every statement against reliable media reported facts (NOT law firm blogs). I have not found a single contradiction. So I am very strongly like minded with core's direction.
Here is an example. In Dec 2006, Jeff Sessions was cited by core as the reason to derail the SKILL Bill. Here (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=51718&postcount=21) is a recent example of an anonymous person derailing a Bill.
Money minded
Lobbying firm is the most important reason for existence of IV; grass root lobbying can be done without IV. IV paid QGA 80K (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showpost.php?p=50347&postcount=4) in the first quarter of 2006; this is just one expenditure but has a public record. IV has to pay a similar amount to Patton Boggs. About 260*20/month was collected in 45 days in Jan/Feb 2007.
Why can IV ignore talking about money (when balancing this deficit is very important)?
How can IV ignore talking about money ALL THE TIME (when it takes 45 days to collect 260*20)?
State Chapter Participation
You missed this. We also ask members (ALL THE TIME (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3482&highlight=Wisconsin)) to participate in State Chapters.
Conclusions
Some (non) members are ignorant about GC problems, legislation, politics, lobbying and IV's activities. It is not possible to understand all of them even in a month. They have to put effort to educate themselves. Hence, the quotes
Most people struggle with life balance simply because they haven't paid the price to decide what is really important to them.
If we keep doing what we're doing, we're going to keep getting what we're getting.
dresses Hound Dog Puppies.
ashkam
08-14 08:36 AM
Is this a parody post? How exactly is the law favorable to EB3? Just because they are allowed to file in EB2 later? Does this mean the law also favors children because it allows them to grow up? EB2 is in 2006. EB3 is stuck in 2001. "Plight"? Give me a break.
Quit your sniffles and dam those tears.
Quit your sniffles and dam those tears.
more...
makeup Puppies and dogs for sale
Robert Kumar
03-29 06:15 AM
It is possible INS can track you down using posts here as you seem to be illegally here in the US. I wouldnt be advising anything to you as you are an illegal alien.
girlfriend Bernard Dogs Puppies Sale
smodekurti
10-12 10:19 PM
Smartboy,
Since your case was reopened on 28th Sept, it must be close to 20 days now. As USCIS has to make a decision in 30 days, do let us know about the outcome of your case. This would give an idea for rest of us on what to expect.
Thanks
Since your case was reopened on 28th Sept, it must be close to 20 days now. As USCIS has to make a decision in 30 days, do let us know about the outcome of your case. This would give an idea for rest of us on what to expect.
Thanks
hairstyles sale: dogs amp; puppies,
Carlau
02-05 04:44 PM
eb3_nepa's request is valid in the context that spouse of an L1 can take up any Job.. & the spouse of the proposed 'Blue Card" can take up any job.. why not a H4?
I cannot agree with you more.
On the other hand for those ones that say that we (H-4s) could apply for H-1B easily, it is not easy if you are not in IT. Some people said -although doesn't make much sense looking that L-1 and Blue card spouses would be able to work-, that if you do not want the H-4s to compete with average joes?, then an intermediate solution is to require a Bachellor degree minimum education requirement for getting the H-4s a H-4B (my new name for employment authorization), yes, dependend on the H-1B, if the H-1B is laid off the H-4 would still have the chance to apply for H-1B (without counting in the yearly quota) or leave the country after 6 months. Why should we get a F-1 visa?, most of us arrived highly educated.
Most people do not seem to understand that the spouses of L-1s (legal) can work, and the spouses of Blue card holders (Agjobs) would be able to work, so leaving the H-4s out is DISCRIMINATION!
I cannot agree with you more.
On the other hand for those ones that say that we (H-4s) could apply for H-1B easily, it is not easy if you are not in IT. Some people said -although doesn't make much sense looking that L-1 and Blue card spouses would be able to work-, that if you do not want the H-4s to compete with average joes?, then an intermediate solution is to require a Bachellor degree minimum education requirement for getting the H-4s a H-4B (my new name for employment authorization), yes, dependend on the H-1B, if the H-1B is laid off the H-4 would still have the chance to apply for H-1B (without counting in the yearly quota) or leave the country after 6 months. Why should we get a F-1 visa?, most of us arrived highly educated.
Most people do not seem to understand that the spouses of L-1s (legal) can work, and the spouses of Blue card holders (Agjobs) would be able to work, so leaving the H-4s out is DISCRIMINATION!
sanju
09-25 09:40 AM
Just curious. Why do you claim ROW is receiving preferential treatment over India when all the countries get the same upper limit of the visas. Now if the Indians ask for more visas just because there are more Indians asking for green cards, wouldn't that be preferential treatment? :)
Why do think that "India" is the name of 1 human being that everyone from India should be treat like 1 person. Each person applies for his/her I-485, even each member of a family is considered separate. So why club one group of people based on a dichotomy that works best in your favor and then argue that there should be no change. Why not apply color of skin to decide the limits, or maybe the language. Because frankly, which country I come from has nothing to do with why I am here, just as the color of my skin or my native language has no relevance to my petition. In any system if you club large group of applicants based on a dichotomy, and say you will get lesser share than the rest, isn't that how you describe preferential treatment ? Is there any other way to describe the current country-quota system? Why not say Tamil SriLankans will autonomously govern 86% of the land and rest of people in Sri Lanka should migrate to the remaining 14%. Is that how it works there? Probably not, then why argue for something which is actually nothing but preferential treatment. That's ok, in olden days, when racial discrimination was legal, people who benefited from it argued in favor of it, just as you are doing in favor of per-country limits. But the society is much better without racial discrimination. Don't you think so? Any special benefits accorded to one set of group over the other is preferential treatment. There is no other way to describe it. Now, if you got a job, which is why you are here, based on the fact that you are from Sri Lanka, then it is a different thing, then you must get green card based on which country you came from. But it would be illegal if actually you got got your job because you are from Sri-Lanka. Then why apply the benefit which is a direct derivative of your employment (and hence employment based green card) based on which country you came from? Is there any relation between your job and your country of origin? If yes, then it is illegal, if no, then why give benefit of your employment based on your country of origin, if no, and you continue to want the benefit of your employment based on your country of origin, wouldn't that be asking for preferential treatment? How else will you chose to describe it? Please help me to understand this.
And here is what I wrote earlier, which you did not want to read because you probably have not answer for this question to help your argument, so very conveniently you just had to skip it entirely. Here is goes ....
I thought we are all equals, unless you think you are challenged in anyways - physically or otherwise, in that case I agree, you are 100% right, there must be a special quota for you. For all others who consider themselves to be equal shareholders to the free society, isn't preferential treatment for any set of people "wrong" and "unfair"? Just asking? I mean are we not equals, if yes, then there should be no quota for any country, if no and you think you are superior, which maybe true, then I should get preferential treatment, if no, and you think you are inferior or otherwise challenged in anyways, well, in that case yes, you sure should be treat better than others.... you know....
So what do you think you are - equal? inferior? or superior? I mean it has go to be one of those, right?
Now if the Indians ask for more visas just because there are more Indians asking for green cards, wouldn't that be preferential treatment?
NO. That would not be preferential treatment. Because as I said, India is not 1 human being who ought to consume the same oxygen as 1 human being namely Sri Lanka must consume. Each applicant in employment based green card is a separate human being. Hope you are not proposing to ration oxygen based on country quota.
Look, I know removal of per-country quota may not work in your favor so you do not want to remove it. Tell me that it is not true and this discussion is over. And if per-country quota puts me at any dis-advantage as compared to you, isn't system giving you preferential treatment over me? How else will you describe it?
.
Why do think that "India" is the name of 1 human being that everyone from India should be treat like 1 person. Each person applies for his/her I-485, even each member of a family is considered separate. So why club one group of people based on a dichotomy that works best in your favor and then argue that there should be no change. Why not apply color of skin to decide the limits, or maybe the language. Because frankly, which country I come from has nothing to do with why I am here, just as the color of my skin or my native language has no relevance to my petition. In any system if you club large group of applicants based on a dichotomy, and say you will get lesser share than the rest, isn't that how you describe preferential treatment ? Is there any other way to describe the current country-quota system? Why not say Tamil SriLankans will autonomously govern 86% of the land and rest of people in Sri Lanka should migrate to the remaining 14%. Is that how it works there? Probably not, then why argue for something which is actually nothing but preferential treatment. That's ok, in olden days, when racial discrimination was legal, people who benefited from it argued in favor of it, just as you are doing in favor of per-country limits. But the society is much better without racial discrimination. Don't you think so? Any special benefits accorded to one set of group over the other is preferential treatment. There is no other way to describe it. Now, if you got a job, which is why you are here, based on the fact that you are from Sri Lanka, then it is a different thing, then you must get green card based on which country you came from. But it would be illegal if actually you got got your job because you are from Sri-Lanka. Then why apply the benefit which is a direct derivative of your employment (and hence employment based green card) based on which country you came from? Is there any relation between your job and your country of origin? If yes, then it is illegal, if no, then why give benefit of your employment based on your country of origin, if no, and you continue to want the benefit of your employment based on your country of origin, wouldn't that be asking for preferential treatment? How else will you chose to describe it? Please help me to understand this.
And here is what I wrote earlier, which you did not want to read because you probably have not answer for this question to help your argument, so very conveniently you just had to skip it entirely. Here is goes ....
I thought we are all equals, unless you think you are challenged in anyways - physically or otherwise, in that case I agree, you are 100% right, there must be a special quota for you. For all others who consider themselves to be equal shareholders to the free society, isn't preferential treatment for any set of people "wrong" and "unfair"? Just asking? I mean are we not equals, if yes, then there should be no quota for any country, if no and you think you are superior, which maybe true, then I should get preferential treatment, if no, and you think you are inferior or otherwise challenged in anyways, well, in that case yes, you sure should be treat better than others.... you know....
So what do you think you are - equal? inferior? or superior? I mean it has go to be one of those, right?
Now if the Indians ask for more visas just because there are more Indians asking for green cards, wouldn't that be preferential treatment?
NO. That would not be preferential treatment. Because as I said, India is not 1 human being who ought to consume the same oxygen as 1 human being namely Sri Lanka must consume. Each applicant in employment based green card is a separate human being. Hope you are not proposing to ration oxygen based on country quota.
Look, I know removal of per-country quota may not work in your favor so you do not want to remove it. Tell me that it is not true and this discussion is over. And if per-country quota puts me at any dis-advantage as compared to you, isn't system giving you preferential treatment over me? How else will you describe it?
.
485Mbe4001
11-27 12:49 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/27/opinion/27brooks.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
NY Times Op-Ed Columnist
Follow the Fundamentals
By DAVID BROOKS
Published: November 27, 2007
Lou Dobbs is winning. He’s not winning personally. He’s not going to start winning presidential awards or elite respect. But his message is winning. Month by month the ideas that once prevailed on the angry fringe enter the mainstream and turn into conventional wisdom.
Once there was a majority in favor of liberal immigration policies, but apparently that’s not true anymore, at least if you judge by campaign rhetoric. Once there was a bipartisan consensus behind free trade, but that’s not true anymore, either. Even Republicans, by a two-to-one majority, believe free trade is bad for America, according to a Wall Street Journal/NBC poll.
Once upon a time, the fact that hundreds of millions of people around the world are rising out of poverty would have been a source of pride and optimism. But if you listen to the presidential candidates, improvements in the developing world are menacing. Their speeches constitute a symphony of woe about lead-painted toys, manipulated currencies and stolen jobs.
And if Dobbsianism is winning when times are good, you can imagine how attractive it’s going to seem if we enter the serious recession that Larry Summers convincingly and terrifyingly forecasts in yesterday’s Financial Times. If the economy dips as seriously as that, the political climate could shift in ugly ways.
So it’s worth pointing out now more than ever that Dobbsianism is fundamentally wrong. It plays on legitimate anxieties, but it rests at heart on a more existential fear — the fear that America is under assault and is fundamentally fragile. It rests on fears that the America we once knew is bleeding away.
And that’s just not true. In the first place, despite the ups and downs of the business cycle, the United States still possesses the most potent economy on earth. Recently the World Economic Forum and the International Institute for Management Development produced global competitiveness indexes, and once again they both ranked the United States first in the world.
In the World Economic Forum survey, the U.S. comes in just ahead of Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden and Germany (China is 34th). The U.S. gets poor marks for macroeconomic stability (the long-term federal debt), for its tax structure and for the low savings rate. But it leads the world in a range of categories: higher education and training, labor market flexibility, the ability to attract global talent, the availability of venture capital, the quality of corporate management and the capacity to innovate.
William W. Lewis of McKinsey surveyed global competitive in dozens of business sectors a few years ago, and concluded, “The United States is the productivity leader in virtually every industry.”
Second, America’s fundamental economic strength is rooted in the most stable of assets — its values. The U.S. is still an astonishing assimilation machine. It has successfully absorbed more than 20 million legal immigrants over the past quarter-century, an extraordinary influx of human capital. Americans are remarkably fertile. Birthrates are relatively high, meaning that in 2050, the average American will be under 40, while the average European, Chinese and Japanese will be more than a decade older.
The American economy benefits from low levels of corruption. American culture still transmits some ineffable spirit of adventure. American students can’t compete with, say, Singaporean students on standardized tests, but they are innovative and creative throughout their lives. The U.S. standard of living first surpassed the rest of the world’s in about 1740, and despite dozens of cycles of declinist foreboding, the country has resolutely refused to decay.
Third, not every economic dislocation has been caused by trade and the Chinese. Between 1991 and 2007, the U.S. trade deficit exploded to $818 billion from $31 billion. Yet as Robert Samuelson has pointed out, during that time the U.S. created 28 million jobs and the unemployment rate dipped to 4.6 percent from 6.8 percent.
That’s because, as Robert Lawrence of Harvard and Martin Baily of McKinsey have calculated, 90 percent of manufacturing job losses are due to domestic forces. As companies become more technologically advanced, they shed workers (the Chinese shed 25 million manufacturing jobs between 1994 and 2004).
Meanwhile, the number of jobs actually lost to outsourcing is small, and recent reports suggest the outsourcing trend is slowing down. They are swamped by the general churn of creative destruction. Every quarter the U.S. loses somewhere around seven million jobs, and creates a bit more than seven million more. That double-edged process is the essence of a dynamic economy.
I’m writing this column from Beijing. I can look out the window and see the explosive growth. But as the Chinese will be the first to tell you, their dazzling prosperity is built on fragile foundations. In the United States, the situation is the reverse. We have obvious problems. But the foundations of American prosperity are strong. The U.S. still has much more to gain than to lose from openness, trade and globalization.
NY Times Op-Ed Columnist
Follow the Fundamentals
By DAVID BROOKS
Published: November 27, 2007
Lou Dobbs is winning. He’s not winning personally. He’s not going to start winning presidential awards or elite respect. But his message is winning. Month by month the ideas that once prevailed on the angry fringe enter the mainstream and turn into conventional wisdom.
Once there was a majority in favor of liberal immigration policies, but apparently that’s not true anymore, at least if you judge by campaign rhetoric. Once there was a bipartisan consensus behind free trade, but that’s not true anymore, either. Even Republicans, by a two-to-one majority, believe free trade is bad for America, according to a Wall Street Journal/NBC poll.
Once upon a time, the fact that hundreds of millions of people around the world are rising out of poverty would have been a source of pride and optimism. But if you listen to the presidential candidates, improvements in the developing world are menacing. Their speeches constitute a symphony of woe about lead-painted toys, manipulated currencies and stolen jobs.
And if Dobbsianism is winning when times are good, you can imagine how attractive it’s going to seem if we enter the serious recession that Larry Summers convincingly and terrifyingly forecasts in yesterday’s Financial Times. If the economy dips as seriously as that, the political climate could shift in ugly ways.
So it’s worth pointing out now more than ever that Dobbsianism is fundamentally wrong. It plays on legitimate anxieties, but it rests at heart on a more existential fear — the fear that America is under assault and is fundamentally fragile. It rests on fears that the America we once knew is bleeding away.
And that’s just not true. In the first place, despite the ups and downs of the business cycle, the United States still possesses the most potent economy on earth. Recently the World Economic Forum and the International Institute for Management Development produced global competitiveness indexes, and once again they both ranked the United States first in the world.
In the World Economic Forum survey, the U.S. comes in just ahead of Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden and Germany (China is 34th). The U.S. gets poor marks for macroeconomic stability (the long-term federal debt), for its tax structure and for the low savings rate. But it leads the world in a range of categories: higher education and training, labor market flexibility, the ability to attract global talent, the availability of venture capital, the quality of corporate management and the capacity to innovate.
William W. Lewis of McKinsey surveyed global competitive in dozens of business sectors a few years ago, and concluded, “The United States is the productivity leader in virtually every industry.”
Second, America’s fundamental economic strength is rooted in the most stable of assets — its values. The U.S. is still an astonishing assimilation machine. It has successfully absorbed more than 20 million legal immigrants over the past quarter-century, an extraordinary influx of human capital. Americans are remarkably fertile. Birthrates are relatively high, meaning that in 2050, the average American will be under 40, while the average European, Chinese and Japanese will be more than a decade older.
The American economy benefits from low levels of corruption. American culture still transmits some ineffable spirit of adventure. American students can’t compete with, say, Singaporean students on standardized tests, but they are innovative and creative throughout their lives. The U.S. standard of living first surpassed the rest of the world’s in about 1740, and despite dozens of cycles of declinist foreboding, the country has resolutely refused to decay.
Third, not every economic dislocation has been caused by trade and the Chinese. Between 1991 and 2007, the U.S. trade deficit exploded to $818 billion from $31 billion. Yet as Robert Samuelson has pointed out, during that time the U.S. created 28 million jobs and the unemployment rate dipped to 4.6 percent from 6.8 percent.
That’s because, as Robert Lawrence of Harvard and Martin Baily of McKinsey have calculated, 90 percent of manufacturing job losses are due to domestic forces. As companies become more technologically advanced, they shed workers (the Chinese shed 25 million manufacturing jobs between 1994 and 2004).
Meanwhile, the number of jobs actually lost to outsourcing is small, and recent reports suggest the outsourcing trend is slowing down. They are swamped by the general churn of creative destruction. Every quarter the U.S. loses somewhere around seven million jobs, and creates a bit more than seven million more. That double-edged process is the essence of a dynamic economy.
I’m writing this column from Beijing. I can look out the window and see the explosive growth. But as the Chinese will be the first to tell you, their dazzling prosperity is built on fragile foundations. In the United States, the situation is the reverse. We have obvious problems. But the foundations of American prosperity are strong. The U.S. still has much more to gain than to lose from openness, trade and globalization.
No comments:
Post a Comment